Oral History - WINTLE Alice; 21-49

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Oral History - WINTLE Alice

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WINTLE Alice Tape 1 Side 1
Date: 25 February 1997

00.00 Introduction. ALICE WINTLE born 7 April 1916. Father FREDERICK JACKSON, a BUILDER in AUCKLAND. He ran a TAXI and did RURAL DELIVERIES in MANGAWAI. Mother MARY ANN SWANN, a maid in AUCKLAND. Brothers CHARLIE and JAMES . Husband was CLAUDE WINTLE, married 1941.
02.05 Story of father’s family history. Mother’s family history, mother’s mother a CHARLETON.
03.40 Mothers father CAPTAIN JAMES SWANN, from Ireland, farmed in RUAPUKE.
04.20 Story of childhood in AUCKLAND, went to GLADSTONE ROAD SCHOOL then PT CHEVALIER SCHOOL. Came to MANGAWAI, went to MANGAWAI PRIMARY SCHOOL .
05.05 The family lived in PT CHEVALIER ROAD. ALICE’S father was HOUSE BUILDER.
06.05 Walked to school in AUCKLAND from age 6.
06.50 No school uniform. Description of CLOTHES.
07.25 Description of GAMES played, HOPSCOTCH,
08.10 NETBALL in MANGAWAI. GAMES with DOLLS, SKIPPING ROPES, MARBLES and KNUCKLEBONES.
09.10. Came to MANGAWAI, and lived in ? in an old cottage. Long description of COTTAGE.
10.50 Mother came to MANGAWAI VILLAGE to run MRS BOWLS ‘ STORE, In the DEPRESSION, MRS BOWLS came back, ARCHIE ROBINSON moved the shop to the corner.
11.50 CHRISTMAS CELEBRATIONS. Description of CHRISTMAS DINNER, GOOSE from HASTIE’S.
13.00 Father smoked a PIPE. DISCIPLINE discussed. CHARLIE (WINTLE) disciplined the most.
14.50 Brothers went to MANGAWAI SCHOOL. Description of school,18 pupils, one class. One TEACHER. MISS BUCHANAN described.
18.15 No MAORI attended school. Occasional GAMES, physical exercise. SCHOOL DOCTOR or NURSE visited. No VACCINES given at school.
21.00 Left school age 13 with LEAVING CERTIFICATE. MILKED COWS for SANDY STEWART at the top of WAIPU ROAD.
22.05 Worked at WHARF, checked cargo. The fees collected for OTAMATEA COUNCIL.
22.30 OFFICE at end of WHARF, stored GOODS. TROLLEY on RAILS used.
23.05 SS “KAWAU” came, no passengers, ALICE’S father ran TAXI to KAIWAKA and MR MCLENNAN had coach service. SS “KAWAU” had to get past the BAR on the HARBOUR.
24.00 CAPTAIN OLSEN finished, next captain beached the “KAWAU” in the ESTUARY by BULL’S farm, and MOIR PONT.
24.40 A SCOW went from KAWAU to MANGAWAI to WHANGARURU. Description of problems.
25.10 ALICE went home if no goods in the SHED. Lived in house near PUB, the POLICEMAN’S house.
26.15 Left working on WHARF in 1941. Most GOODS came by RAIL from KAIWAKA, and ROAD.
27.30 No workers union. ALICE spoke to her boss on the phone.
28.00 WHARF cargo owned by famers. Groceries ordered from GALLAGHERS came on the “KAWAU”. Local STORES improved, GALLAGHERS stopped coming. STEPHENSON had POULTRY FARM. Eggs from MOIR POINT, and poultry feed collected.
29.45 Went to WELLINGTON to 1940 EXHIBITION. The WHARF not profitable by 1940. Owned by OTAMATEA COUNCIL, boats owned by NORTHERN STEAMSHIP COMPANY. ALICE WINTLE left when married in 1941.

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00.05 Description of wedding in 1942 in HAKARU CHURCH and WEDDING BREAKFAST. ALICE WINTLE (nee JACKSON) married CLAUDE WINTLE from TARA, MANGAWAI, second son of CLAUDE? and ANN. CLAUDE WINTLE was BUTCHER, worked in BUTCHER’S SHOP on the farm.
01.20 They rented a house on CLIFF BOWMAR’s property on TARA ROAD, then leased CHARLIE WHARFE’S Farm. CLAUDE WINTLE ran the BUTCHERY and ran SHEEP.
02.00 Build own home in 1946. The WINTLE boys each allotted 60 acres.
02.40. ALICE and CLAUDE’S children: JOY, JIM, JOHN, COLIN and CHERYL all raised on the farm.
03.05 Children went to TARA SCHOOL, then MANGAWAI SCHOOL and KAIWAKA SCHOOL.
03.40 Leisure described. ALICE played NETBALL for MANGAWAI TEAM and NETBALL with the BOWMAR children when ALICE teenager. Joined the KAIWAKA Team when the MANGAWAI TEAM closed.
04.50 Leisure before marriage described, BEACH, SWIMMING, and DANCES. The organisers of dance decorated the HALL. If in HAKARU HALL rode there to decorate it.
05.50 DANCES were organised by NETBALLERS, FOOTBALLERS, and the SPORTS CLUB on BOXING DAY.
06.30 DANCES described, a BAND, once BLIND INSTITUTE BAND from AUCKLAND.
07.55 DANCE till 1am with plate for supper.
08.15 Met her husband through DANCES.
09.00 More wedding description, they were married in HAKARU CHURCH, an ANGLICAN ceremony. Description of WEDDING FROCK.
10.00 Experiences of WW2. CLAUDE WINTLE was in an essential industry, as a BUTCHER and a FARMER. ALICE said country life was not as affected as towns. There was a lack of PETROL, CLAUDE and ALICE had a petrol allowance as they delivered MEAT.
11.40 WARKWORTH HOSPITAL took two hours to get to by car for babies’ births.
12.30 MEAT was delivered to KAIWAKA, WHANGARIPO, MANGAWAI and WELLSFORD.
13.20 Orders came by phone, KAIWAKA PHONE EXCHANGE operator took the orders. No FRIDGES, MEAT was kept in a MEAT SAFE. Meat was killed twice weekly. Later MEAT was stored in a COOLROOM at the back of the old homestead.
15.50 CLAUDE’S brother also did butchery. Uncle BILL WINTLE did deliveries by HORSE and CART initially. Then CLAUDE WINTLE did deliveries in a FORD CAR, then had a van.
17.00 Some MEAT was left at the POST OFFICE in HAKARU.
17.30 The DEPRESSION affected ALICE WINTLE’S family, building trade slumped. ALICE’S mother came to MANGAWAI to run STORE. The GUM TRADE finishing, ALICE’S mother lost money in the store, gave food on “TICK”. She gave up the store.
18.30 FOOTBALL on Saturdays.
19.10.SPORTS DAY described. WOOD CHOPPING, SAWING, and RACES, competed for prize money. ALICE helped. SPORTS DAY held in the HOTEL grounds. They dId not run in WW2.
22.00 There was prize money, the winner had about 5 pounds. A competitor paid an entrance fee.
23.10. Sometimes a DANCE after the ATHLETICS CLUB meeting.
23.55 ALICE WINTLE did not have much time for meetings. She had workers to feed, helped in the BUTCHERS SHOP, looked after the children.
25.00 ELECTRIC POWER arrived, ALICE’S first purchase was a WASHING MACHINE. The new BUTCHER’S SHOP was bought. WASHING MACHINE plugged into the BUTCHER’S SHOP. ALICE and CLAUDE had a house built, then had a FRIDGE for CHRISTMAS before the house was finished. Lived in a caravan by the BUTCHER’S SHOP while the house was being built. After WW2, could only build a certain area. CLAUDE WINTLE wanted larger rooms, only part of thouse built.
26.40 BATH purchased in 1948, waited months for a TOILET, it came by RAIL, and was broken.
27.20 ALICE WINTLE cooked on a COAL RANGE, had an ELECTRIC STOVE in 1948.
28.15 POWER was a big asset, they had it in the COOL ROOM for MEAT. POWER made life much easier.
29.15 ARMY WAR manoevres, ALICE had ENGLISH NAVAL MEN for a meal. Not good behaviour! The men were billeted near STEWART’S.

WINTLE Alice Tape 2 Side 1

00.00 The family had a RADIO when ALICE WINTLE was age 20, the RADIO may have been run by batteries. ALICE remembered music and serials at night, the AUNT DAISY and UNCLE TOM’S programmes.
02.50 In preparation for travel, clothes IRONED with a FLAT IRON, heated on the STOVE, had CANDLES at night.
05.45 The BATHROOM in a shed at the back of the house. The family had separate bathroom in AUCKLAND. MANGAWAI described as primitive.
06.35. Memories of GUMDIGGERS. BELLINGHAMS dug where ALICE WINTLE lived in PEARSON STREET. They used machinery. There were a few GUMDIGGERS digging holes, DICK CLARK, CHRIS CHRISTMANN, and some at COAL HILL who came in for supplies and the PUB. GUMDIGGERS had tin sheds and open fireplaces.
07.50 Eventually only BELLINGHAM worked on PEARSON STREET. Description of workings. BELLINGHAM lived where Mrs BYGRAVE lived. He employed a few men.
08.40 The was a GUMSTORE, not used, in the backyard of where the ALICE WINTLE lived. Some DALMATIANS lived there. There was another GUMSTORE opposite the current POLICE STATION, also not used, the GUM trade was finishing.
09.45 Description of GUMSTORE and TENNIS COURT situations. A road went to the TENNIS COURT. Description of the track, used to collect WATER. The WINTLES owned the land.
12.50 The GUMDIGGERS were in separate racial groups. MACMILLAN was a GUMDIGGER operator. He went broke. Some were left in COAL HILL.
14.20 Story of GUMDIGGERS. One fell in while crossing the CAUSEWAY and suffocated. ALICE remembered an ITALIAN couple.
15.20 Memories of the HOTEL, the NELSONS ran the HOTEL. BETH SMITH (nee NELSON) was a child then. She came to visit ALICE WINTLE when ALICE was working on the WHARF.
16.25 Description of businesses on MOIR ROAD. There was a BLACKSMITH, a MR MITCHELL, and a BOATBUILDER, he had a shop. There was a SCHOOLHOUSE and COURTHOUSE which was pulled down, and a POST OFFICE. where the POLICE STATION is.
17.25 HARTNELLS had a store where GARAGE is today. MRS WOODS used to sell things from there. No PETROL sold.
18.10 The HALL was opposite. An old SHEARER, PETER BECK? lived near there.
19.10 ALICE bought sugar from MRS WOOD’S SHOP.
20.25 On Sundays ALICE went to SUNDAY SCHOOL. The BROWNES ran the SUNDAY SCHOOL. CHURCH activities discussed.




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